Opponents of the taser are gathering today outside Parliament to protest the start of the police's taser trial. Meanwhile, Keith Ng has an excellent post on the issue, compiling video of both the use and abuse of tasers by US police. The problem as he sees it isn't so much the danger of tasers themselves - as he points out, they are a weapon, whose primary purpose is to "quickly and effectively neutralise a [person]" rather than kill. The problem is the way they might be used. On this point, he argues that
[i]f the use of Tasers in mundane cases is the problem, then the solution should be to strictly limit their use on dangerous individuals and where other methods are not viable - i.e. *Make* it a weapon of (second to) last resort.
Unfortunately, this requires having some confidence in the police. And looking at the way they currently use pepper spray to "induce compliance" or sadistically inflict pain on those who are already restrained, I just don't think we can.
[Hat tip: DPF]
I wouldn't mind the police having the use of tasers if we lived in a substantive democracy (i.e. where the police answer to the broad public, rather than to an elite power structure as they ultimately do today), but then if we lived in a substantive democracy we would probably find very little use for them.
ReplyDeleteIf Constable A had a Taser then Stephen Hawking would still be alive.
ReplyDeleteI've seen a man on P walk straight straight through Peper Spray, and assault a Police Officer.
Most people who complain about Tasers focus on the US experience with minimal regard for the UK and Australian experience. Also the Tasers being used in NZ are of a lower voltage than tose emplyed in the US.
Stephen Hawking?
ReplyDeleteSteve Wallace was killed because police did not follow correct procedure regarding the use of lethal force.
ReplyDeleteThe very fact that correct procedures were not used is one of the most compelling reasons not to give taser guns to the cops. Not the other way round.
There's also nothing to say he wouldn't have been killed by a taser gun either. Taser guns do kill.
"Steve Wallace was killed because police did not follow correct procedure regarding the use of lethal force."
ReplyDeleteUtter rubbish.
> There's also nothing to say he wouldn't have been killed by a taser gun either. Taser guns do kill.
ReplyDeleteSo does sneezing.
tht doesnt mean tasers or sneezing are not somewhat less dangerous than being shot with a firearm.
besides saying SW was killed because they didn't obey the rules is like saying he died because social welfare didn't respond to its duty of care to make sure he was all safe, well and mentally stable.
Batons and fists also kill.
ReplyDeleteThe issue with the Tasers is entirely around making sure their proper use is enforced.
Giving another option between a baton and a gun is for the better in my opinion.
My point about tasers being able to kill (and having a history of killing) is that you can't simply say Wallace would be alive if police has tasers.
ReplyDeleteNeither can you say he would definately have been killed either, surely.
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