Monday, January 10, 2005



Alternative coalitions

In a comment on my post on forcing Labour's hand, Jordan Carter of Just Left raises some interesting points:

[A] Labour/Green coalition would have been ok 02-05 with the transfer of votes you discuss. If that had been the government, though, what would politics look like now? Would Labour, hijacked to the left, have been in contention for a third term?

The lesson Labour's current leadership has taken is that progress needs to be slow to endure, and that the failure to be patient destroyed the second and third Labour governments. Going in the wrong direction destroyed the fourth.

What would the politics look like if Labour had gone the other way? I'd have expected a greater commitment to civil and human rights and a restraint on Phil Goff, also less pissing about over Civil Unions. Economically, I think Cullen would have acted as a brake on the Greens just as he acts as a break on the tax-cutting impulses of United Future. Possibly a little more money and a slightly smaller surplus, possibly a quicker implementation of Working for Families, but not really a hell of a lot of change on that front. Labour is clearly delivering

I'm not sure about progress having to be slow to endure. How slow was the first Labour government to implement its programme? And how much of the fourth Labour government's blitzkreiged "reforms" have been rolled back? It's lasting more than one term so that things have a bit of time to settle down that seems to be important - but that's a matter of choosing which reforms to push through, and maintaining a public consensus behind the changes. The current government has one behind working for families, and seems to have one on the Cullen Fund as well; if it is re-elected, then both these policies will become the status quo, and the political cost of reversing them will be substantially higher. (I should also note that you can't maintain a public consensus if you make no attempt to build one. Labour's cravenness in justice policy is thus something of a self-fulfilling prophecy; they claim there's no public support for opposing the "hang 'em high" brigade, but part of the reason there is no public support is that sensible, mainstream voices like Labour haven't taken a stand. It's the same reason British (and NZ) food used to be so bad...)

Do New Zealanders want a more left-wing government? I think the consistent strength of Labour and the Greens in the polls show that they do. If we don't get one, it will be because Labour has abandoned its roots again, not because there is no public demand.

7 comments:

Yes well, one of my old mates (who will be a candidate I'm sure) has indicated that the key to success politically is to be a "CENTRIST" and he makes no apologies for this. I am not too happy re this. Think about this - Centre of what ?. I guess idealism is well out of rational thought but why ?

Seems to me that being a centrist may lead one to compromise ones ideals for the sake of power. Yopu know this stuff I'm sure

N

Posted by Tauranga Kid : 1/10/2005 07:22:00 PM

and what might have happened if Labour had given the Alliance Waitakere and Laila Harre, and a few others, had got back in? What coalition arrangement might have evolved from that? How would the Alliance MPs have worked with the Progs?! hmmmmm I might have a bit more of a think about this and post...

(btw, love having comments on here IS - yay!)

Posted by span : 1/10/2005 08:30:00 PM

Do New Zealanders want a more left-wing government? I think the consistent strength of Labour and the Greens in the polls show that they do.I don't know if it indicates that people want a more left-wing government or if it indicates that they're happy with the balance of government right now?

Posted by Quail : 1/11/2005 06:19:00 AM

Quayle raises an interesting point. So does Span. I agree with her point and have some sympathy for Quayle's. I am interested in the capacity of the Labour Party to push politics to the left; my view is that the government and party do much less of this than they could. If they were doing more and had a track record of showing they - we - can better shape debates to the left and bring people with us, then we could move further and faster down the social democratic road. I guess, like Helen and others, I am very bloody cautious.

Posted by Jordan : 1/11/2005 09:52:00 AM

I don't mind a bit of caution, but there's a difference between that and cowardice. And cowardice is exactly what the government has displayed on civil liberties issues. Rather than defending the historic territory of the left and standing up for human rights, fair trials, and a humane justice system, they have simply caved (actually, that's the charitable interpretation; it actually seems like they're using Blairite tactics and trying to outflank the opposition on the right. They need to realise that under MMP they cannot take left-wing votes for granted; we have other options and we will use them).

Posted by Idiot/Savant : 1/11/2005 06:45:00 PM

To state the obvious:
Citizens on average want a centerist government.

Posted by Genius : 1/11/2005 11:25:00 PM

On the average, by definition, of course they do - but that's on a relative scale; the beliefs of the electorate define the centre. And part of what we're talking about here is shifting it.

Posted by Idiot/Savant : 1/12/2005 08:20:00 AM