Saturday, October 15, 2005

Going beyond Iraq

The Guardian today reports that Bush told Blair he planned to "go beyond Iraq" and target other countries he believed were developing WMD:

Mr Bush said he "wanted to go beyond Iraq in dealing with WMD proliferation, mentioning in particular Saudi Arabia, Iran, North Korea, and Pakistan," according to a note of a telephone conversation between the two men on January 30 2003.

The note is quoted in the US edition, published next week, of Lawless World, America and the Making and Breaking of Global Rules, by the British international lawyer Philippe Sands. The memo was drawn up by one of the prime minister's foreign policy advisers in Downing Street and passed to the Foreign Office, according to Mr Sands.

I guess we have the Iraqis to thank for stopping this from happening and preventing a wider war in the Middle East...


Well, we'll see. The effectiveness of the Iraqi resistance is of course something to be hugely greatful for but it's difficult to know what the U.S. is up to in Iran at the moment. It's not difficult however to realise how crazy this U.S. administration is.

Scott Ritter spoke about this last week in London:

Posted by Anonymous : 10/15/2005 10:42:00 PM

Are you a troll, hoping to discredit the commenters on this board by association with such statements? I haven't heard of anyone credible in the anti-war camp who is grateful for the continued slaughter of human beings in Iraq by whatever faction or occupying force.

Posted by Anonymous : 10/16/2005 02:00:00 PM

I haven't heard of anyone credible who's grateful for the continued slaughter fullstop. Maybe, to help in your understanding, you could refrain from putting words in other people's mouths?

I support the Iraqi resistance in its right to defend against an aggressor.

According to a judgment of the Nuremberg Tribunal, in the 1945-1946 case of the major Nazi war criminals, to initiate a war of a aggression is not only an international crime, it is the "supreme international crime."

The result of implementing this supreme international crime in Iraq has been the killing and mutilation of hundreds of thousands of people; the possibility of civil war; the anger and resentment the invasion has generated throughout the Muslim world and the creation, as a result, of a more hospitable environment in which terrorists can operate; the reassertion of imperial power; and the derailing of international law.

It is paramount that the U.S. are not seen to win in Iraq in order to reverse some of these outcomes and bring down the Bush regime, in turn hopefully ensuring that we step back from our headlong rush into a world war and total anihilation.

Posted by Anonymous : 10/16/2005 03:02:00 PM

Good god. Christiaan you have said some stupid things in your time but that takes the cake. Siding with terrorist misogynistic islamic extremists? Are these really the people you want to associate with?

"The effectiveness of the Iraqi resistance is of course something to be hugely greatful for"

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Yeah it's greta that more and more people are killed by suicide bombers every day, by random attacks on civilians.

People like you a re a disgrace to the west. Go to Kabul and help. Or Baghdad. Idiot.

Posted by Anonymous : 10/16/2005 06:28:00 PM

Christiaan occupies a parallel universe where intentionally blowing people up earns their gratitude.

As to targeting countries that produce nuclear weapons, I don’t think bush's methods are particularly effective - but are we really in favour of nuclear proliferation? And opposed to pressure being applied on those who spread nukes?

Apparently many of us are as long as it is one in the eye for the USA...

Posted by Genius : 10/16/2005 06:59:00 PM

Anon, you didn't even bother addressing my argument that it is paramount the U.S. is not seen to win. You appear more interested in a smear. They've really going you going with that big-bad-islamist-under-your-bed thing haven't they? Or maybe you've just got yourself going. It never ceases to amaze me how easily people dupe themselves into this line of thinking. The lessons of history don't seem to matter an iota.

Even after I warned you, you still seem happy to shovel words into my mouth. I say I support the Iraqi resistance, and you tell me I'm "siding with terrorist misogynistic islamic extremists." Not only are you factually incorrect to conflate the jihadists (who make up about 10% of the resistance) with the nationalists but you're also making it pretty clear that you side with the psychopathic imperialists who continually lie to the world, show disdain for democracy and life on earth, and happen to have control of the stupidest weapons on the earth and have admitted to wanting to use them in their bid to completely dominate the world.

I've been to Baghdad anon, we acted to stop the psychopaths from bombing Baghdad water plants and power plants as they did in 1991, or as they did in other parts of Iraq in 2003, all against the Geneva Conventions and causing untold suffering for millions.

It is people like you and Genius who are the disgrace, sitting comfortably at home on your computers vomiting out the propaganda dripping from your brains, bleating on like parrots about nuclear weapons or whatever happens to be the propaganda fashion of the day. Meanwhile the victims of the people you defend with your silly smears and hollow arguments contend with the slaughter, the depleted uranium, the cluster bombs, the humiliation.

It's people like you who DESERVE to be blown up by a fucking terrorist. I only wish we could point them in the right direction.

Posted by Anonymous : 10/16/2005 10:25:00 PM

The suicide bombers are the same people as the ones shooting at US soldiers? Oh no, a plague of zombies is the last thing we need on top of all Iraq's other problems.

Posted by Commie Mutant Traitor : 10/17/2005 03:34:00 PM